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Oil-by-rail gaining steam in Wyoming, nationwide

TRIB.COM -- Crude oil isn’t an especially popular rail commodity in Wyoming, but it could be soon.
At least two Wyoming terminals devoted specifically to loading crude from pipelines and trucks into railcars for shipping have been announced in the Cowboy State since late January, and more announcements are expected. Each facility would mean dozens of new jobs and millions of barrels of crude-oil storage capacity added to existing rail hubs around the state.
Crude oil is most often moved via pipeline — about 90 percent of the time, according to the EIA — but oil producers in areas like North Dakota’s Bakken shale play have relied on rail where pipe capacity isn’t available. Wyoming rail terminal developers praised rail shipping in interviews, saying it’s also far more flexible than pipe.


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HawaiianGuy
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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2013 11:22:31 AM

Necessity is the Mother of invention. At some point, though, pipelines will need to be built. All we're doing here is postponing the inevitable.
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GOOD PLAN !!!
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 11:36:21 PM

If this is the only way.......then do it.
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 10:27:15 PM

Almost every train I see here in ND has a few tanker cars full of oil. Get to is Wyoming!
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must87searcher
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 8:07:13 PM

With a route to ship the oil, railroad in this case, then it should be put into use. That way, there is no need too just keep on waiting and letting time fly by with the agruements of stalling of a pipeline.
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 8:01:32 PM

go for it
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 7:35:27 PM

whatever it takes
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MidNJ
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 6:46:14 PM

Lots of oil can be transported by rail, and there is no need to take additional land and incur construction costs for a pipeline.
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 6:33:34 PM

Yep
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 6:31:24 PM

A good alternative.
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 6:27:36 PM

It has to be cheaper to run the oil through pipes. No rail maintenance, etc.
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 6:25:44 PM

Fine by me
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 6:25:19 PM

good
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 6:24:51 PM

Good for them.
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 6:24:50 PM

When articles like this are posted, it becomes necessary to remind people of what is wrong with relying on rail for transporting oil. Rail is a fair short-term solution for transporting oil, but it should never be a long-term solution. Pipelines are the best method and should be the long-term solution. A network of pipelines already exist, and it is just a matter building other pipelines to connect to them.

The major reason opponents have against the Keystone XL is the potential for oil spills. But statistically, rail is a more dangerous method of transport for oil. It is also costlier and less efficient. Too much energy is used to move oil by rail compared to pipelines, and the higher cost is also passed on to the consumer. There is also the union factor which can hold us all hostage to their demands for transporting by rail, thereby driving up the cost of oil/gasoline while the rail unions go on strike.

America has 175,000 miles of onshore and offshore oil pipelines, and 321,000 miles of natural gas transmission and gathering pipelines. Gathering pipelines bring raw natural gas from the wellhead to the gas processing plant. In addition, there are more than 2 million miles of natural gas distribution pipelines sending gas to businesses and consumers.

About 71 percent of national crude oil and petroleum products are shipped by pipeline — 882 billion ton-miles in one recent year, according to the DOT. Tanker and barge traffic accounts for 22 percent, road accounts for 4 percent, and rail accounts for 3 percent.

Most applicable to this story, it should be especially noted that over a recent four-year period, rail had the HIGHEST rate of environmental incidents -- 651 per billion ton-miles per year. Incidents include not only explosions or fires but also the release of five gallons or more of a hazardous liquid.

Road had 20 reported incidents per billion ton-miles per year, while natural gas pipelines had only 0.89 incidents per billion ton-miles per year and oil pipelines had just 0.61.

Pipelines were also responsible for fewer fatalities and injuries — 2.4 fatalities and four injuries per year for oil lines, and one fatality and 6.2 injuries for gas lines. Road transport of oil and gas averaged 10.2 fatalities and 21.8 injuries per year, and rail averaged 2.4 deaths and 25.6 injuries.

It also should be noted that in December 2011, a national railroad strike was averted. It took more than a year to reach agreements with 12 of the 13 unions involved. The last union did not reach agreement until two months later. Warren Buffet's BNSF was one of the railroads it affected. Another potential strike sometime in the near future is certainly more likely with 40 percent of North Dakota's crude oil transport at risk from a strike as well as oil from states like Wyoming and others who are heavily relying on rail.

How many of anti-pipeline/pro-railroad people on this website will be whining about the spike in oil and gasoline prices when there is another threat of strike from the many railroad unions? After the next major rail incident that involves crude oil, will these same people also acknowledge that we should have built more pipelines instead of relying too much on rail? More than likely they will blame "Big Oil" and Republicans as usual instead of correctly placing the blame on striking unions and on those who held up approval of pipelines that could have prevented the price spike or environmental incident.
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 6:24:28 PM

Ok
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 6:23:47 PM

what ever works
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 6:23:28 PM

That should drive our prices down.Americans continue to conserve!!!!!!!!!.
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 6:22:16 PM

what ever works do it
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 6:20:10 PM

Something needs to be done. Gas prices are alst $4.00 a gallon again!
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 6:19:14 PM

Approve the pipeline!
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 6:16:33 PM

Long live trains!
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 6:15:32 PM

There is a bit of irony to the story.
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 6:15:00 PM

There is no pleasing everyone. Pipelines leaking, train derailments. Maybe we should all just move into caves.
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 6:11:13 PM

Oil by steam...I love it.. :). Anyway developing alternatives is good for both countries and best for our collective national security.
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 6:11:01 PM

Hmmmm
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 6:09:02 PM

okay
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 6:06:32 PM

aye
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 6:03:22 PM

just keep it safe and efficient
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 5:59:47 PM

Great until there is a major railway accident. Then they will clamour for a pipeline.
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 5:59:27 PM

That's nice.
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 5:59:09 PM

Flexibility is good.
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 5:56:17 PM

Great
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 5:53:31 PM

Distribution seems to be a major hindrance.
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 5:52:41 PM

whatever works
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 5:48:45 PM

Didn't know we had steam engines on the rails these days.

I thought pipelines had pumps, which use fuel or energy of
of some kind.

No wait on my globe it looks like it might just run down hill!!
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 5:48:02 PM

dozens of jobs = good.
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 5:47:46 PM

just keep it safe,
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 5:43:45 PM

oil-by-train gaining STUPIDITY nationwide... morons, pipelines are the way to go (trains burn fuel to transport fuel)
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 5:43:23 PM

And Soros gets his payback.
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 5:42:49 PM

Looks like a sound decesion to me. Go WY.
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 5:41:37 PM

A lot to say, and still not to the point in the first paragraph... when will these writers learn how to write???
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 5:33:40 PM

This is safer/more economical than pipeline?
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CPGas1815
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 5:32:47 PM

Shipping oil via rail certainly does not make any sense.
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 5:31:54 PM

Whatever works.
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 5:31:09 PM

Expect Obama to be against this unless it will create more government jobs.
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 5:28:23 PM

Expect Obama's EPA to regulate the rail transport to the point of making it cost prohibitive. Libs hate fossil fuels.
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 5:22:21 PM

keep our oil no exports
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 5:20:17 PM

If pipelines are not available why not using rail?
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 5:19:55 PM

rockefeller and vanderbilt would be so proud
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